Comentarios en: (English) PayPal Backs Down, Reinstates Account for Supporters of Bradley Manning http://bradleymanning.org/es/16196/paypal-backs-down-reinstates-account-for-supporters-of-bradley-manning/ Exposing war crimes is not a crime! Sat, 12 Mar 2011 18:21:53 +0000 hourly 1 Por: Steve Newcomb http://bradleymanning.org/es/16196/paypal-backs-down-reinstates-account-for-supporters-of-bradley-manning/comment-page-1/#comment-11692 Steve Newcomb Tue, 01 Mar 2011 14:05:42 +0000 http://bradleymanning.org/es/?p=16196#comment-11692 Anre says Paypal withholds money inappropriately. Curious about this, I Googled "paypal dilatory" and found http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.html?242024-Paypal-Acting-Fraudulently-Huge-Fraud-Ongoing ...so I guess there's reason to believe there's an "arrogance of power" situation at Paypal. One can sneer at "bottom feeders" -- check-cashing/loan-dealing storefronts and the like -- unless and until one has lived at the bottom of the economy, and one knows the helpless feeling of having no defense against the rapaciousness of those whom one must "trust" in order to eat. Creating that helpless feeling is part of the bottom-feeding game; the fatalism thus induced in the customers is good for business. It is not difficult to see a connection between the arrogance of power in the "bottom feeding" game, and the arrogance of power exercised in discriminating against certain specific transactions, such as contributions to Manning's defense. The "little people" don't deserve respect; their purpose is to be abused. Bottom feeders believe the little people should respect the powers that be. If the powerful have put Manning in jail, it must be for a Very Good Reason. After all, the main purpose of law enforcement is to protect the property of those who have property. As one of the little people myself, I can only agree with R. Crumb's famous observation, "We are all niggers, now." For me, these words are liberating and overflowing with optimism. We will know things have changed when those words have become a proud slogan for people of all colors. We could all do much worse than to emulate the immense fortitude, spiritual indefatigability, and righteous nonviolence of generations of African Americans. And we can always use more leadership of that rare quality, too. Anre says Paypal withholds money inappropriately. Curious about this, I Googled “paypal dilatory” and found

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.html?242024-Paypal-Acting-Fraudulently-Huge-Fraud-Ongoing

…so I guess there’s reason to believe there’s an “arrogance of power” situation at Paypal. One can sneer at “bottom feeders” — check-cashing/loan-dealing storefronts and the like — unless and until one has lived at the bottom of the economy, and one knows the helpless feeling of having no defense against the rapaciousness of those whom one must “trust” in order to eat. Creating that helpless feeling is part of the bottom-feeding game; the fatalism thus induced in the customers is good for business.

It is not difficult to see a connection between the arrogance of power in the “bottom feeding” game, and the arrogance of power exercised in discriminating against certain specific transactions, such as contributions to Manning’s defense. The “little people” don’t deserve respect; their purpose is to be abused. Bottom feeders believe the little people should respect the powers that be. If the powerful have put Manning in jail, it must be for a Very Good Reason. After all, the main purpose of law enforcement is to protect the property of those who have property.

As one of the little people myself, I can only agree with R. Crumb’s famous observation, “We are all niggers, now.” For me, these words are liberating and overflowing with optimism. We will know things have changed when those words have become a proud slogan for people of all colors. We could all do much worse than to emulate the immense fortitude, spiritual indefatigability, and righteous nonviolence of generations of African Americans. And we can always use more leadership of that rare quality, too.

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Por: Anre http://bradleymanning.org/es/16196/paypal-backs-down-reinstates-account-for-supporters-of-bradley-manning/comment-page-1/#comment-11637 Anre Tue, 01 Mar 2011 00:26:01 +0000 http://bradleymanning.org/es/?p=16196#comment-11637 Paypals business practices are corrupt they regularly withhold money for days in feigned disputes - Profit making at the expense of customers and very poor consumer service. Paypals business practices are corrupt they regularly withhold money for days in feigned disputes – Profit making at the expense of customers and very poor consumer service.

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Por: Judy http://bradleymanning.org/es/16196/paypal-backs-down-reinstates-account-for-supporters-of-bradley-manning/comment-page-1/#comment-11571 Judy Mon, 28 Feb 2011 06:33:33 +0000 http://bradleymanning.org/es/?p=16196#comment-11571 I rang paypal on Friday (from Australia) and would'nt give up until I spoke to the right person.It took at least half an hour to get the right person but determination won and I got to voice my disgust in person. People power at it's best! I rang paypal on Friday (from Australia) and would’nt give up until I spoke to the right person.It took at least half an hour to get the right person but determination won and I got to voice my disgust in person. People power at it’s best!

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Por: Rosanne Potter http://bradleymanning.org/es/16196/paypal-backs-down-reinstates-account-for-supporters-of-bradley-manning/comment-page-1/#comment-11465 Rosanne Potter Sat, 26 Feb 2011 21:56:34 +0000 http://bradleymanning.org/es/?p=16196#comment-11465 I am greatly relieved that public pressure brought PayPal to its senses on Bradley Manning Support, but wonder why we were not able to get the same kind of result for Julian Assange. In any case, what is being done to require better treatment of Bradley Manning? I am very worried about his sanity -- if I'd been held under the conditions he's been held under, I'd have been insane long before 276 days. I am greatly relieved that public pressure brought PayPal to its senses on Bradley Manning Support, but wonder why we were not able to get the same kind of result for Julian Assange.

In any case, what is being done to require better treatment of Bradley Manning? I am very worried about his sanity — if I’d been held under the conditions he’s been held under, I’d have been insane long before 276 days.

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Por: Jen http://bradleymanning.org/es/16196/paypal-backs-down-reinstates-account-for-supporters-of-bradley-manning/comment-page-1/#comment-11403 Jen Sat, 26 Feb 2011 04:47:41 +0000 http://bradleymanning.org/es/?p=16196#comment-11403 What the hell is PayPal's problem?? First Julian/Wikileaks then Courage to Resist!! I also deleted my paypal and amazon account when they dropped Julian. If it is from pressure form the US govt then why don't they grow some balls and stand up for themselves FFS! Ps- Violet, that poem was incredible. What the hell is PayPal’s problem?? First Julian/Wikileaks then Courage to Resist!!
I also deleted my paypal and amazon account when they dropped Julian.
If it is from pressure form the US govt then why don’t they grow some balls and stand up for themselves FFS!
Ps- Violet, that poem was incredible.

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Por: MsMe http://bradleymanning.org/es/16196/paypal-backs-down-reinstates-account-for-supporters-of-bradley-manning/comment-page-1/#comment-11382 MsMe Fri, 25 Feb 2011 23:30:17 +0000 http://bradleymanning.org/es/?p=16196#comment-11382 While it is true that the government is the root of the problem, those companies succumbed to pressure. Allowing a crime is almost as horrible as initiating it. While it is true that the government is the root of the problem, those companies succumbed to pressure. Allowing a crime is almost as horrible as initiating it.

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Por: Wat http://bradleymanning.org/es/16196/paypal-backs-down-reinstates-account-for-supporters-of-bradley-manning/comment-page-1/#comment-11381 Wat Fri, 25 Feb 2011 23:17:57 +0000 http://bradleymanning.org/es/?p=16196#comment-11381 congrats for the PayPal reinstatement. Good work!!! congrats for the PayPal reinstatement. Good work!!!

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Por: Paul http://bradleymanning.org/es/16196/paypal-backs-down-reinstates-account-for-supporters-of-bradley-manning/comment-page-1/#comment-11375 Paul Fri, 25 Feb 2011 22:30:47 +0000 http://bradleymanning.org/es/?p=16196#comment-11375 I have also stopped all processing of PayPal through our site. They seem to think they can turn on and off peoples account as they wish. Now I have turned off theirs. Free Bradley Manning! I have also stopped all processing of PayPal through our site. They seem to think they can turn on and off peoples account as they wish. Now I have turned off theirs.

Free Bradley Manning!

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Por: Elsa http://bradleymanning.org/es/16196/paypal-backs-down-reinstates-account-for-supporters-of-bradley-manning/comment-page-1/#comment-11372 Elsa Fri, 25 Feb 2011 22:19:58 +0000 http://bradleymanning.org/es/?p=16196#comment-11372 Don't know if the information in this article is still valid but the options to PP are worth trying: http://readersupportednews.org/off-site-news-section/368-wikileaks/4224-6-companies-that-havent-wussed-out-of-working-with-wikileaks Don’t know if the information in this article is still valid but the options to PP are worth trying:

http://readersupportednews.org/off-site-news-section/368-wikileaks/4224-6-companies-that-havent-wussed-out-of-working-with-wikileaks

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Por: Tim McDonald http://bradleymanning.org/es/16196/paypal-backs-down-reinstates-account-for-supporters-of-bradley-manning/comment-page-1/#comment-11367 Tim McDonald Fri, 25 Feb 2011 21:25:30 +0000 http://bradleymanning.org/es/?p=16196#comment-11367 Paypal is becoming the uncool means of paying for things on the Internet. This episode and shutting down donations to Wikileaks show that Paypal is just another corporate tool of politicians. I’ll be going with alternate services whenever I can. Paypal is becoming the uncool means of paying for things on the Internet. This episode and shutting down donations to Wikileaks show that Paypal is just another corporate tool of politicians. I’ll be going with alternate services whenever I can.

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