Bradley Manning Forums

Discussion • Re: Brad's birthday

2010-12-09T00:52:14+00:00

Perhaps we could smuggle a cyanide capsule to him in his cell, so he will not have to spend 50 years in prison.

Statistics: Posted by santafe — Thu Dec 09, 2010 12:52 am

Rants • Re: Why is Bradley getting support?

2010-12-09T00:14:57+00:00

Jamal wrote:
The only way to stop these wars is for the US to withdraw unconditionally from all of them. Exposing the truth about these wars helps people realize how futile they are, thus encouraging politicians to support withdrawal.

You really think we can "win" in Afghanistan? I can't stop laughing. The Taliban took down the Soviet Union, and they look like they're helping take down the US as well. Years of bloodshed in Iraq has lead to only about 2 major suicide bombings a week and a government that's closer to Iran than to the US. Wow, great victory.

What can possibly justify such futile causes? Even from the shear cost of it all, what can possibly justify spending the money on wars rather than things like medical care, medical research, housing, transportation, etc?

WOW! Jamal, you really think this is the case? We withdraw from over there and everything is going to be just peachy? Someone needs to throw a bucket of ice cold water in your face to wake you up my son! If we did what you stated, we would have more terrorist attacks in the USA. By doing what we are doing over there, we are taking the enemy down. We will win in Afghanistan. It is people (like you) that think because we are all around the world in different countries for no reason but to be there, need to wake up and relive 9-11. Allot just like you think this was plotted by our own people for an excuse to go to Iraq and Afghanistan.

The justification you ask for this is in your own question. We are there so you can have medical care, medical research, housing, transportation, etc. and the ability to be right here online asking "why?".

Statistics: Posted by USAmerican — Thu Dec 09, 2010 12:14 am

Discussion • Guilty of the Crimes

2010-12-08T23:59:11+00:00

Bradley is no hero nor will he EVER be a hero as stated by Jeff Paterson nor an American. ANY person that steals USA secret information and gives it to an unauthorized person after we put our trust in him to protect these secrets and our nation is someone who has betrayed his country and disgraced the uniform he was wearing (non-american traits). Bradley cannot be classified as a whistle-blower because there was not an intent to commit harm against anyone except the blantant disrespect Bradley displayed by covertly copying classified information without authorization (illegal) and sneaking it out of that facility and handing it over to people that are out to destroy the USA anyway they can. This premeditated act that Bradley commited is illegal and now he must be inprisoned for his crime. People like Bradley are not an american, and in this time period, could be concidered a terrorist.

Statistics: Posted by USAmerican — Wed Dec 08, 2010 11:59 pm

Rants • Re: Why is Bradley getting support?

2010-12-08T22:29:08+00:00

He should be held to the standards of any military traitor and shot, after a court marshal of course. Why waste my tax money to keep him in prison?

Statistics: Posted by wally38 — Wed Dec 08, 2010 10:29 pm

Discussion • Brad's birthday

2010-12-08T21:52:24+00:00

Hello,

I'm from France, and gave immediate support to Bradley Manning.

By the way, this young man will turn 23 on december 17th ...

Should we use that for a special event or communication, to bring more attention around Brad's case ?

How can we show our solidarity with him, I mean a way he could know, and feel more confident to face US institutions ?

Thanks in advance for your suggestions !

JC

Statistics: Posted by Willsetyoufree — Wed Dec 08, 2010 9:52 pm

Discussion • Bradley Manning's Place In History

2010-12-08T18:37:57+00:00

I suggest that it is worth a separate topic, with a title that is more noticed than internal comments, to again suggest Bradley Manning's place in history.

Please correct me if I am in error by suggesting that the following is difficult to successfully dispute.

1. Bradley Manning and Julian Assange will be known long after all their highly titled and common detractors are forgotten.

2. Bradley Manning and Julian Assange will be more respected and more appreciated BY THINKING PEOPLE, and by the common people of any degree of "thinking", than any of the current world national and world leaders, as time goes by.

3. The reasoning for the above is Brad and Julian's courageous efforts to more openly expose, FOR THE COMMON PEOPLE, the otherwise known and suspected, ignorance, maliciousness, pettiness and perfidy of highly titled and highly self-flattering government personnel, a common desire of the vast majority of common people throughout history, including Brad's and Julian's current detractors who incessantly accuse "the OTHER government officials" of those characteristics.

4. Bradley and Julian most illuminated, without a close second, the historic ability of the internet to destroy government secrecy, and thus destroy government corruption, maliciousness and government attempts to keep the common people ignorant.

5. The progressively more internet-educated son's, daughters and grandchildren of all of Brad's and Julian's detractors will progressively appreciate Brad and Julian more and more, and progressively recognize the repugnance of their parents and grandparents who tried to keep them ignorant and fooled about the rampant self-serving government corruption, of every government.

6. Now consider the minds of said detractors who might stumble across this comment (which you can link or copy and email), and who encounter a twinge of recognition of statement number 5 above, much to your amusement.

One cannot fool all the people all of the time, by design of the human phenomenon. To the extent that government sorts attempt to keep their own children and grandchildren ignorant of anything, they will be that ignorant until they discover the repugnance of their parents and grandparents, while more thinking people, therefore learning more knowledge, advance the human phenomenon beyond them, leaving the offspring of government folks as losers in the inherent human competition for more knowledge.

It is an aside to note that the future will produce reasoning-based governments, by design of the human mind, and by the increasing efforts of courageous people like Brad and Julian, replacing power-based governments, much to the confusion and rage of the remnant power-damaged human minds who cannot understand a use of the human mind greater than wars.

Thank you Brad and Julian.

Respectfully, DougBuchanan.com

Statistics: Posted by Doug Buchanan — Wed Dec 08, 2010 6:37 pm

Discussion • Re: A question for you all.

2010-12-08T05:52:03+00:00

Bone_naga my friend....

Once you enter the game of creating and keeping dangerous government secrets, among humans who by design of their mind, a contradiction identification and resolution device, can never keep a secret known to two or more people, you expose your failure to have questioned your decision, by being miffed that a secret is exposed, regardless of any danger or lives lost.

The original and causation contradiction was creating and attempting to keep a government secret, a fool's quest by government chaps who choose to endanger the lives of those gullible enough to believe government. There is no rationality or logic in a government of the people, by the people and for the people, creating and attempting to keep secrets from the people.

In an old phrase, the government reaps what it sows, like everybody else.

Respectfully, DougBuchanan.com

Statistics: Posted by Doug Buchanan — Wed Dec 08, 2010 5:52 am

Discussion • Re: This is a battle for the very foundations of logic

2010-12-08T05:36:39+00:00

Allow me to refine the original premise, with my arrangements of similar words, to perhaps advance the accuracy of the expressions a bit for any potential advancement of the related knowledge.

Yes, you quash the truth AND facilitate an ignorant society, before the war, during and after, to facilitate the next war.

So what creates that obviously existent phenomenon?

Confusion and censorship are not the driving forces of war. I would suggest that confusion, censorship and such, are mere common phenomena easily perpetuated among the normally UNQUESTIONING humans, among other such phenomena, that facilitate the institutional creation and attempted sustaining of contradictions, in this case war.

I suggest that the "driving force" of war is more accurately described as power-damaged minds. These are institutional-stimuli-altered minds addicted to, craving, and functioning on the perception of holding institutional "power" above the mind's reasoning process, causing one to perceive that all logic exists to advance power, ends at the use of power, and cannot be allowed to ever question power. Therein they are dependent upon their own ignorance, since knowledge can lead to the destruction of the functioning of power in the human mind. A power-damaged mind has no access to certain neurons that could route stimuli to a reasoning-based conclusion that contradicts the use of power, to thus introduce a controlling question of the use of power.

Yes, the power-damaged minds ("the people in charge") are irrational, and quash rationality, in regard to any question of "power". They can still plug in their laptops and make other rational decisions not related to institutional power, which is why they fool those who do not understand what power is, and how it functions in the human mind.

Amusingly, "they" came from the general society made ignorant by the previous "people in charge", that is, those ignorant sops who sank to government and other institutional jobs, who were and are dependent upon keeping people more ignorant than the ignorant government, news media and school teacher sorts (their institution) by a known process.

The phenomenon is not "a battle for the roots of rationality in our society", which are nebulous words, but is, more precisely, the old and ongoing attempt to induce enough questions in society to cause more individuals to actually answer some of the questions in their mind, and question their answers, for perhaps, curiosity, to advance the reasoning ability of ourselves and thus society, at that glacially slow, nay, nearly stagnant pace.

Therein Bradley Manning has achieved an extremely admirable place in history, among thinking people, along with the good WikiLeaks folks, for exposing more contradictions created by government chaps, and thus incentive to question government, than any one person in history. One computer chip did more than whole libraries of books on government corruption.

However, the human phenomenon, including the first demarcation of the functioning of the human mind, that being its foolish adoption of the perception of holding "power" over the other inherently equal human minds that hold no mechanism for one mind to force another mind, and no ability to sustain a contradiction, by design, can also be called the grandest comedy in the galaxy.

(There is a process to suddenly create an honest government, but it is a boring process that would obviously lessen a superlative comedy.)

Enjoy the show.

Respectfully, DougBuchanan.com

Statistics: Posted by Doug Buchanan — Wed Dec 08, 2010 5:36 am

Rants • Re: Why is Bradley getting support?

2010-12-08T03:59:34+00:00

You know, I'm not happy about the bulk of what he may have put out there (stuff that can get informants killed, etc...)

But I am pretty pissed at our government on how it handled this. C'mon: a 22 year old PFC soldier with access to this level of classified information can burn a CD of that information... that's like a bank president giving the keycodes, keys, or whatever it takes to get a vault open to each and every bank employee including the janitors...

I tell you right now: if our government can lose classified information this easily, the we are screwed and heads need to role all the way up to the top of the Pentagon... this is absurd!

Obama sat on this one, just like the BP oil spill... over 1 month passed before he mad any effort to do anything about it... meanwhile the video gains cult status on the Internet, and more cables are published. What does wikileaks get as a warning (after a whole month of silence from our Muslim Dictator President?

"You sthop that... that not good. No publish... uh, no publish... you make me mad yous!"

I am an IT contractor for an air force base out west and I can tell you right now: low level soldiers do not get access to classified information even if they are working in security. Someone above Bradley gave him access and according our military rules, lapses in security of that nature is treason. So it's just Bradley, it could very well be a high ranking official.

And because of the lackluster, slow, errant, and conceited response by the Obama administration: I now fear the stupidity that is governing our country is going to bring us all down to our knees and submit to the world stage as a bunch of fools.

So leave Manning alone: his boss, his bosses boss, and further up: they are traitors too.

Statistics: Posted by raytech70 — Wed Dec 08, 2010 3:59 am

Discussion • Re: This is a battle for the very foundations of logic

2010-12-07T19:54:14+00:00

UKdude84 wrote:
Some of the soldiers in the leaked tape are SICK from moment one all you can here from one of them is "can I shoot, can I shoot". Sounds to me like this guy has one hell of an itchy trigger figure combined with a distinct lack of maturity. Doesn't sound to me like a guy with much restraint either.

Yeah sure the US government can imprison Bradley Manning for steeling classified information of course that is true. But the only reason this has been classified is to protect the ones responsible for this disgusting act. I am afraid Americans have a certain reputation in my country for friendly fire and from the leaked video you can see why! I admire Bradley he has done a very brave thing by bringing this forward. We are no better than the people we are fighting to rid the world of if we keep letting people get away with such awful crimes.

...one more thing don't you think if they had AK's and RPG's that at least one of them would have returned fire towards the chopper!!!

May be true, but this has nothing to do with leaking diplomatic cables.

Statistics: Posted by santafe — Tue Dec 07, 2010 7:54 pm

Discussion • The damage done by Wikileaks

2010-12-07T16:59:25+00:00

Here's a count of all the factual incidents where physical harm has come to someone because of Wikileaks:

Zero

Here's an article on the subject:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11882092

Here's a short list of the damage to careers and embarrassment of politicians done by Wikileaks.

1. Hillary Clinton is shown to be a corrupt and deceitful politician. No surprises there.

2. Arab dictators don't like democratic Iran. No surprises there.

3. We have psychopaths killing (the word "serving" is inappropriate because they do not serve any legitimate purpose for our society) in the US military.

4. The US federal bureaucracy spends a tremendous amount of stolen money chasing phantoms and make believe playing cops and robbers.

Lots more, these are just off the top of my head.

Here's a rough count of all the people who have died either directly or indirectly from US military actions in the last 60 years:

8 to 10 million is my guess.

Here's a rough cost to American society:

At least $20 trillion.

What is it that we give up for military? Your children's college? Medical treatment you need? A few less years of retirement? A few less years of life? Early death from preventable disease? Is it all worth it, I mean making the world safe for Israel and the American military bureaucracy?

Statistics: Posted by Jamal — Tue Dec 07, 2010 4:59 pm

Discussion • Re: This is a battle for the very foundations of logic

2010-12-07T14:31:21+00:00

Some of the soldiers in the leaked tape are SICK from moment one all you can here from one of them is "can I shoot, can I shoot". Sounds to me like this guy has one hell of an itchy trigger figure combined with a distinct lack of maturity. Doesn't sound to me like a guy with much restraint either.

Yeah sure the US government can imprison Bradley Manning for steeling classified information of course that is true. But the only reason this has been classified is to protect the ones responsible for this disgusting act. I am afraid Americans have a certain reputation in my country for friendly fire and from the leaked video you can see why! I admire Bradley he has done a very brave thing by bringing this forward. We are no better than the people we are fighting to rid the world of if we keep letting people get away with such awful crimes.

...one more thing don't you think if they had AK's and RPG's that at least one of them would have returned fire towards the chopper!!!

Statistics: Posted by UKdude84 — Tue Dec 07, 2010 2:31 pm

Discussion • Re: A question for you all.

2010-12-07T08:09:54+00:00

Obviously you have no idea what you're talking about. Secret information can still cause harm, immediate harm even, if released, hence why it is classified secret. I don't know where you get this ridiculous idea that only Top Secret information is important. Take some time to learn what you are talking about before you say something.

Statistics: Posted by bone_naga — Tue Dec 07, 2010 8:09 am

Discussion • Re: A word from Mark Twain

2010-12-07T08:07:17+00:00

Just because money is a common motivation doesn't mean you need material gain to commit treason. And when you are breaking the government's laws, particularly laws that you voluntarily subjected yourself to, then yes that is wrong. His gain was spiting "the man" as evidenced by the material he released and how he chose to go about handling the entire situation.

Statistics: Posted by bone_naga — Tue Dec 07, 2010 8:07 am

Discussion • Re: Possibly use SMF instead of phpBB for this forum?

2010-12-07T07:40:44+00:00

I'm not against it, Xode, but I don't have the time available to make the switch.

Want to play forum admin and make it happen?

Statistics: Posted by Mike Gogulski — Tue Dec 07, 2010 7:40 am