Bradley Manning Forums

Discussion • Guilty of the Crimes

2010-12-08T23:59:11+00:00

Bradley is no hero nor will he EVER be a hero as stated by Jeff Paterson nor an American. ANY person that steals USA secret information and gives it to an unauthorized person after we put our trust in him to protect these secrets and our nation is someone who has betrayed his country and disgraced the uniform he was wearing (non-american traits). Bradley cannot be classified as a whistle-blower because there was not an intent to commit harm against anyone except the blantant disrespect Bradley displayed by covertly copying classified information without authorization (illegal) and sneaking it out of that facility and handing it over to people that are out to destroy the USA anyway they can. This premeditated act that Bradley commited is illegal and now he must be inprisoned for his crime. People like Bradley are not an american, and in this time period, could be concidered a terrorist.

Statistics: Posted by USAmerican — Wed Dec 08, 2010 11:59 pm — Replies 0 — Views 9

Discussion • Brad's birthday

2010-12-08T21:52:24+00:00

Hello,

I'm from France, and gave immediate support to Bradley Manning.

By the way, this young man will turn 23 on december 17th ...

Should we use that for a special event or communication, to bring more attention around Brad's case ?

How can we show our solidarity with him, I mean a way he could know, and feel more confident to face US institutions ?

Thanks in advance for your suggestions !

JC

Statistics: Posted by Willsetyoufree — Wed Dec 08, 2010 9:52 pm — Replies 1 — Views 8

Discussion • Bradley Manning's Place In History

2010-12-08T18:37:57+00:00

I suggest that it is worth a separate topic, with a title that is more noticed than internal comments, to again suggest Bradley Manning's place in history.

Please correct me if I am in error by suggesting that the following is difficult to successfully dispute.

1. Bradley Manning and Julian Assange will be known long after all their highly titled and common detractors are forgotten.

2. Bradley Manning and Julian Assange will be more respected and more appreciated BY THINKING PEOPLE, and by the common people of any degree of "thinking", than any of the current world national and world leaders, as time goes by.

3. The reasoning for the above is Brad and Julian's courageous efforts to more openly expose, FOR THE COMMON PEOPLE, the otherwise known and suspected, ignorance, maliciousness, pettiness and perfidy of highly titled and highly self-flattering government personnel, a common desire of the vast majority of common people throughout history, including Brad's and Julian's current detractors who incessantly accuse "the OTHER government officials" of those characteristics.

4. Bradley and Julian most illuminated, without a close second, the historic ability of the internet to destroy government secrecy, and thus destroy government corruption, maliciousness and government attempts to keep the common people ignorant.

5. The progressively more internet-educated son's, daughters and grandchildren of all of Brad's and Julian's detractors will progressively appreciate Brad and Julian more and more, and progressively recognize the repugnance of their parents and grandparents who tried to keep them ignorant and fooled about the rampant self-serving government corruption, of every government.

6. Now consider the minds of said detractors who might stumble across this comment (which you can link or copy and email), and who encounter a twinge of recognition of statement number 5 above, much to your amusement.

One cannot fool all the people all of the time, by design of the human phenomenon. To the extent that government sorts attempt to keep their own children and grandchildren ignorant of anything, they will be that ignorant until they discover the repugnance of their parents and grandparents, while more thinking people, therefore learning more knowledge, advance the human phenomenon beyond them, leaving the offspring of government folks as losers in the inherent human competition for more knowledge.

It is an aside to note that the future will produce reasoning-based governments, by design of the human mind, and by the increasing efforts of courageous people like Brad and Julian, replacing power-based governments, much to the confusion and rage of the remnant power-damaged human minds who cannot understand a use of the human mind greater than wars.

Thank you Brad and Julian.

Respectfully, DougBuchanan.com

Statistics: Posted by Doug Buchanan — Wed Dec 08, 2010 6:37 pm — Replies 0 — Views 10

Discussion • The damage done by Wikileaks

2010-12-07T16:59:25+00:00

Here's a count of all the factual incidents where physical harm has come to someone because of Wikileaks:

Zero

Here's an article on the subject:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11882092

Here's a short list of the damage to careers and embarrassment of politicians done by Wikileaks.

1. Hillary Clinton is shown to be a corrupt and deceitful politician. No surprises there.

2. Arab dictators don't like democratic Iran. No surprises there.

3. We have psychopaths killing (the word "serving" is inappropriate because they do not serve any legitimate purpose for our society) in the US military.

4. The US federal bureaucracy spends a tremendous amount of stolen money chasing phantoms and make believe playing cops and robbers.

Lots more, these are just off the top of my head.

Here's a rough count of all the people who have died either directly or indirectly from US military actions in the last 60 years:

8 to 10 million is my guess.

Here's a rough cost to American society:

At least $20 trillion.

What is it that we give up for military? Your children's college? Medical treatment you need? A few less years of retirement? A few less years of life? Early death from preventable disease? Is it all worth it, I mean making the world safe for Israel and the American military bureaucracy?

Statistics: Posted by Jamal — Tue Dec 07, 2010 4:59 pm — Replies 0 — Views 48

Discussion • Possibly use SMF instead of phpBB for this forum?

2010-12-07T06:20:39+00:00

SMF (Simple Machines Forum) is an alternative to phpBB which I have found to be far more flexible. For example:

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Troll posts attached to a support thread can not be isolated and moved separately to the Rant section due to the limitations of the forum script, therefore must be deleted. Deletions will begin today, August 10, 2010.
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...would not be true with SMF. There, individual posts can be separated from an existing thread and put into a new thread.

This is just one of the features that SMF has that phpBB doesn't.

Statistics: Posted by xode — Tue Dec 07, 2010 6:20 am — Replies 1 — Views 9

Discussion • A word from Mark Twain

2010-12-06T22:50:30+00:00

"Each of you, for himself, by himself and on his own responsibility, must speak. And it is a solemn and weighty responsibility, and not lightly to be flung aside at the bullying of pulpit, press, government, or the empty catchphrases of politicians. Each must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, and which course is patriotic and which isn't. You cannot shirk this and be a man. To decide against your convictions is to be an unqualified and inexcusable traitor, both to yourself and to your country, let man label you as they may. If you alone of all the nation shall decide one way, and that way be the right way according to your convictions of the right, you have done your duty by yourself and by your country- hold up your head! You have nothing to be ashamed of.” - Mark Twain'
I cannot defend him better then Mark Twain, I can only add that Bradley answered the call of congress these past few years, when they asked for transparency and accountability. Is it treason to give your government what they asked for, if another branch of said government thought he shouldn't?
Don't traitors usually get some kind of gain from betraying their own country? Where is Manning's 9 pieces of silver? A person engaged in subjective traitorous acts, with no gain for themselves, are historically few and far between. 90% of these few and far between people are considered patriots, at least from an American perspective.

Statistics: Posted by Slayn — Mon Dec 06, 2010 10:50 pm — Replies 1 — Views 23

Discussion • Payment Methods

2010-12-02T11:55:04+00:00

I was discouraged from donating due to the lack of PayPal as a payment method.
If you had PayPal, I'd have donated already. I'm not going to donate otherwise, as it's too easy to be robbed online, and this is a form of insurance for me.

I'll check back in a couple of weeks. This is a throwaway account.

Regards,
Steven

Statistics: Posted by stevenmc — Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:55 am — Replies 0 — Views 39

Rants • Regardless of his intentions.....

2010-12-01T04:46:55+00:00

He is Guilty. Anyone who has served more than a year in the U.S. Military knows, if you violate anything and definitly part of your security clearance you are guilty. What he was trying to do doesn't matter, especially something this big. This wasn't a handful of documents we are talking about. He knew right from wrong, and now he needs to deal with the consequences like a man! That is the bottom line. I hope he spends the rest of his life behind bars, he deserves it. There is no excuse for it.

Statistics: Posted by pmarkham72 — Wed Dec 01, 2010 4:46 am — Replies 0 — Views 108

Discussion • OK, a joke

2010-12-01T01:37:51+00:00

Q: What's the difference between Bradley Manning and Barack Obama?

A: Bradley Manning actually did something to help bring change to America.

Statistics: Posted by Jamal — Wed Dec 01, 2010 1:37 am — Replies 2 — Views 105

Discussion • If the govt doesn't respect our privacy...

2010-11-30T10:21:01+00:00

If the US government doesn't respect its own people's privacy (by allowing AT&T off the hook for illegal wiretaps, for instance), why in hell should we respect theirs? If Manning was responsible for the Wikileaks docs as well, he's an American hero, period.

Statistics: Posted by Zebo — Tue Nov 30, 2010 10:21 am — Replies 7 — Views 121