Comments on: The charges – a quick analysis

By: Justin L

Justin L — Mon, 26 Jul 2010 16:44:11 +0000

They will rake him over the coals to make an example so no one else decides to be a hero and give up information. IMO the US is about to reap what “we” (I use the word loosely)have sown. Eleven point five million killed in the holocaust (give or take a million), and over five hundred million babies aborted in the US alone. We induldge in Lady Gaga, and the View while innocent civilians and documenters who try to inform the sleeping masses of the TRUTH get mowed down by the machine know as the US of AmeriKa. I love my country. I am only 27 years old. In my short time on earth I have wittnessed many horrible changes….can we even begin to imagine what our world will look like in 10 -15 years? Will there be one left? Praise the Lord Christ Almighty I don’t have to worry anymore!

By: CertainQuirk

CertainQuirk — Fri, 23 Jul 2010 19:39:40 +0000

LOL! Of course he does… who would’ve guessed?

However, with an quick and efficient webmaster such as Mike G., who needs to guess?

By: Mike Gogulski

Mike Gogulski — Fri, 23 Jul 2010 19:21:07 +0000

Rodney joins us today as:

Author : Rodney (IP: 132.79.9.16 , hcascrmnwc02.ngb.army.mil)

By: CertainQuirk

CertainQuirk — Fri, 23 Jul 2010 18:42:21 +0000

I have no doubt you are sure of yourself whereever you go. Your type have no reasoning capability, and therefore, once someone has told you what to believe, you live your life without question. It’s a sad affair, but very common. You’ll probably wet yourself over this page:

http://www.constitution.org/col/propaganda_army.htm

So, get out your GI Joe and have fun.

By: CertainQuirk

CertainQuirk — Fri, 23 Jul 2010 18:21:35 +0000

Rodney, your views are probably more welcome elsewhere, say like: whitehouse.gov or army.mil.

By: Rodney

Rodney — Fri, 23 Jul 2010 18:09:46 +0000

He is truly NOT any hero. He should stay in jail and then prison for many years. His Espionage Act is not justified and he fit well into the catagory as a spy and should pay the price for what he did for stealing classified information. He posted and distributed information without proper release because he stole it. He is not a loyal american and is like any other terrorist trying to damage the United States and the military.

By: mljucmj

mljucmj — Sat, 10 Jul 2010 04:28:52 +0000

There is only one point about the “beforeitstoolatenews” piece.

Here’s what I take away from the absence of a signatures in Block 11. Whoever distributed this copy of the charge sheet did before preferral and before the trial counsel arranged for service on Manning. Thus someone in the Staff Judge Advocate/Military Justice Office gave this to the media or a source while the charge sheet was still in preparation.
This is not a fraud. It is however, not complete. So, if this is what Manning has been given they haven’t done it right. However, it is not unusual for rough drafts to be circulated. It would be highly unusual for a draft to go to Manning or even his defense counsel.
I’m curious who sent this document out? Doesn’t make it a fraud or illegal, but odd.
Cheers.

By: Mike Gogulski

Mike Gogulski — Wed, 07 Jul 2010 20:44:15 +0000

@Jacob: Bollocks. beforeitsnews.com credibility: zero.

By: Jacob Vidrine

Jacob Vidrine — Wed, 07 Jul 2010 20:37:42 +0000

http://beforeitsnews.com/news/95/411/BREAKING_NEWS_Official_documents_are_FORGERIES._You_be_the_Judge.html

By: Mike Gogulski

Mike Gogulski — Wed, 07 Jul 2010 19:53:06 +0000

@mljucmj: Thanks for the input. I’ve corrected the 1-5 years bits, and added more clarification in the footnote.

Incidentally, my max penalty tallies here to 68 years, while Ltc. Bloom has been quoted as saying 52 years. If the government were not contemplating the greater loss provisions of §1030(a), that would account for the discrepancy since there is a 1-year tier and a 5-year tier.

My impression regarding the fines is that the USC still provides an upper bound upon them, which is applicable to the court martial as well. If you can point me to legal text which shows otherwise, I’d be happy to remove the notations. I know you’re an expert, I’d just like to see the authority.

I forgot to include it here, but I believe all of these charges also carry a dishonorable discharge as a possible penalty.

As regards the notion that the charge sheets aren’t authentic, not only is the beforeitsnews.com “writer” full of baloney, he also DELETED my comment on that article in which I published the full email headers of the communique I received from Ltc. Bloom. Apparently for that site, crying “conspiracy!” is far more important than truth.