Comments on: Gov’t denies Bradley ability to use lack of harm as defense; Next hearing to focus on illegal treatment http://bradleymanning.org/updates/update-71912-govt-denies-bradley-ability-to-use-lask-of-harm-in-defense-next-hearing-to-focus-on-illegal-treatment Exposing war crimes is not a crime! Mon, 20 Aug 2012 23:34:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Christopher Lang ORIGER http://bradleymanning.org/updates/update-71912-govt-denies-bradley-ability-to-use-lask-of-harm-in-defense-next-hearing-to-focus-on-illegal-treatment/comment-page-1#comment-37884 Christopher Lang ORIGER Wed, 01 Aug 2012 03:29:18 +0000 http://bradleymanning.org/?p=24499#comment-37884 Judge Lind’s behavior disgusts me as well the prosecutions. What does she and the US Government have to hide by not letting the UN Rapporteur on torture testify on Manning’s behalf? This is a monkey show just like the trials in Guantanamo will be... I can see how people like Lt Dan Choi's medals and uniform were desecrated in her court room. This is not justice. It is Moscow Theater and it is sickening, it is as sickening as making Manning stand at Parade Rest NUDE with his penis hanging out for everyone to see. NAZIs do these sort of things. Not American Soldiers. This is not justice but a show trial. Judge Lind’s behavior disgusts me as well the prosecutions. What does she and the US Government have to hide by not letting the UN Rapporteur on torture testify on Manning’s behalf? This is a monkey show just like the trials in Guantanamo will be… I can see how people like Lt Dan Choi’s medals and uniform were desecrated in her court room. This is not justice. It is Moscow Theater and it is sickening, it is as sickening as making Manning stand at Parade Rest NUDE with his penis hanging out for everyone to see. NAZIs do these sort of things. Not American Soldiers. This is not justice but a show trial.

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By: Cheryl Liniman http://bradleymanning.org/updates/update-71912-govt-denies-bradley-ability-to-use-lask-of-harm-in-defense-next-hearing-to-focus-on-illegal-treatment/comment-page-1#comment-36705 Cheryl Liniman Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:19:38 +0000 http://bradleymanning.org/?p=24499#comment-36705 Zip backwards in time to the Kent State shootings during the protest by those college students against the Viet Nam War. The Governor of Ohio sent in the National Guard and shot up those kids, killing a number of them. Remember John Lennon, who was vehemently against the war and sang many songs and the people gathered and sang with him and protested the war. John Lennon was assassinated by a "nut" we were told. When you live in a country whose business is WAR and continuing to enrich the military industrial complex and move the wealth to the top 2% ... it explains how and why certain people WILL BE silenced, no matter how wrong or illegal. U.S. citizens are no different than those we attack in other countries .... we are squashed like bugs. One way or another those who don't "tow the line" will disappear, be eliminated or neutralized. The last real president was JFK. The country is now run by money and the people who have the power to move it, hide it, squander it or take it away. Zip backwards in time to the Kent State shootings during the protest by those college students against the Viet Nam War. The Governor of Ohio sent in the National Guard and shot up those kids, killing a number of them. Remember John Lennon, who was vehemently against the war and sang many songs and the people gathered and sang with him and protested the war. John Lennon was assassinated by a “nut” we were told. When you live in a country whose business is WAR and continuing to enrich the military industrial complex and move the wealth to the top 2% … it explains how and why certain people WILL BE silenced, no matter how wrong or illegal. U.S. citizens are no different than those we attack in other countries …. we are squashed like bugs. One way or another those who don’t “tow the line” will disappear, be eliminated or neutralized. The last real president was JFK. The country is now run by money and the people who have the power to move it, hide it, squander it or take it away.

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By: Cynthia Morse http://bradleymanning.org/updates/update-71912-govt-denies-bradley-ability-to-use-lask-of-harm-in-defense-next-hearing-to-focus-on-illegal-treatment/comment-page-1#comment-36680 Cynthia Morse Wed, 25 Jul 2012 11:05:21 +0000 http://bradleymanning.org/?p=24499#comment-36680 Proof of no harm done is defense pre-indictment in any court. A legislated crime based on actions that cause no harm is subject to appelate court review with the standing of someone who has been convicted of this non-crime. These criteria do not apply in military law, do they? We have to go far to destroy state violence. Needs to happen--more and more publicity to wake up the sheeples. Proof of no harm done is defense pre-indictment in any court. A legislated crime based on actions that cause no harm is subject to appelate court review with the standing of someone who has been convicted of this non-crime. These criteria do not apply in military law, do they?

We have to go far to destroy state violence. Needs to happen–more and more publicity to wake up the sheeples.

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By: Caroline Hope http://bradleymanning.org/updates/update-71912-govt-denies-bradley-ability-to-use-lask-of-harm-in-defense-next-hearing-to-focus-on-illegal-treatment/comment-page-1#comment-36653 Caroline Hope Wed, 25 Jul 2012 08:06:22 +0000 http://bradleymanning.org/?p=24499#comment-36653 I too watched the video of shooting of journalist in Iraq from an invisible helicopter and subsequent shooting of a father, taking is 2 children to school, who came to the assistance of the wounded man. Yes, I cried too. I too watched the video of shooting of journalist in Iraq from an invisible helicopter and subsequent shooting of a father, taking is 2 children to school, who came to the assistance of the wounded man.
Yes, I cried too.

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By: Tony Stapley http://bradleymanning.org/updates/update-71912-govt-denies-bradley-ability-to-use-lask-of-harm-in-defense-next-hearing-to-focus-on-illegal-treatment/comment-page-1#comment-36603 Tony Stapley Wed, 25 Jul 2012 01:43:44 +0000 http://bradleymanning.org/?p=24499#comment-36603 Bradley is a very brave young man, all people who have a morel compass will owe him dept of gratitude. The light of freedom that was once America is now the evil empire. Tony. Bradley is a very brave young man, all people who have a morel compass will owe him dept of gratitude. The light of freedom that was once America is now the evil empire. Tony.

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By: Emile Zola http://bradleymanning.org/updates/update-71912-govt-denies-bradley-ability-to-use-lask-of-harm-in-defense-next-hearing-to-focus-on-illegal-treatment/comment-page-1#comment-36601 Emile Zola Wed, 25 Jul 2012 01:31:28 +0000 http://bradleymanning.org/?p=24499#comment-36601 I think you are mistaken. Please, read the Pentagon Papers and see that government malfeasances, war crimes are not done to protect security in any shape or form, they are to protect the government from possible war crimes and what private Manning did is what the Constitution is all about. BTW, the video showing our "heroes" killing innocent civilians, at least, isn't that what we say whenwe invade other countries for oil and under false pretenses and lies galore. FYI, I was in the armed forces for 26 years and the first thing I learned was that an illegal order doesn't have to be obeyed, ergo, what Pvt Manning did was uphold the Constitution. If reading the Pentagon Papers doesn't convince you either, then read what the guy at the center says about Pvt Manning and if that still doesn't convince you, then I give up. You might be one of those who believe that every thing the government does is the truth, when our government has never told a truth, but a war crime is never a good thing, even if you believe it is. I think you are mistaken. Please, read the Pentagon Papers and see that government malfeasances, war crimes are not done to protect security in any shape or form, they are to protect the government from possible war crimes and what private Manning did is what the Constitution is all about. BTW, the video showing our “heroes” killing innocent civilians, at least, isn’t that what we say whenwe invade other countries for oil and under false pretenses and lies galore. FYI, I was in the armed forces for 26 years and the first thing I learned was that an illegal order doesn’t have to be obeyed, ergo, what Pvt Manning did was uphold the Constitution. If reading the Pentagon Papers doesn’t convince you either, then read what the guy at the center says about Pvt Manning and if that still doesn’t convince you, then I give up. You might be one of those who believe that every thing the government does is the truth, when our government has never told a truth, but a war crime is never a good thing, even if you believe it is.

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By: Kathleen http://bradleymanning.org/updates/update-71912-govt-denies-bradley-ability-to-use-lask-of-harm-in-defense-next-hearing-to-focus-on-illegal-treatment/comment-page-1#comment-36589 Kathleen Wed, 25 Jul 2012 00:16:59 +0000 http://bradleymanning.org/?p=24499#comment-36589 "Individuals have international duties which transcend the national obligations of obedience... Therefore [individual citizens] have the duty to violate domestic laws to prevent crimes against peace and humanity from occurring." -Nuremberg War Crime Tribunal, 1950 I never thought it was possible to feel more disgust than what I felt towards Bush-supporters. But now, the more I see of this Bradley Manning thing the more hatred and disgust I feel for Obama supporters deliberately turning their heads away from the glaring fact that Obama is far more the effective evil than Bush. They, along with the rest of those American cowards who plan to "hold their nose while voting for Obama," deserve their black Romney-clone, but the rest of us do not. (I'm voting for Jill Stein from the Green Party, because the very survival of our human rights, democracy, and the earth, depends on the American voter's ability to stay the course of 2008's goal to rid the world of Bush's policies, instead of expanding them as Obama has done. Only then can we break away from the "left/right" fists of corporate rule, forever.) ...and how did "Yes We Can" in 2008, turn into "No We Can't" in 2012, get rid of George Bush's policies? Are we Americans really that cowardly that the majority of us are just going to roll over and let Obama (or Romney) continue expanding these heinous Bush policies? “Individuals have international duties which transcend the national obligations of obedience… Therefore [individual citizens] have the duty to violate domestic laws to prevent crimes against peace and humanity from occurring.” -Nuremberg War Crime Tribunal, 1950

I never thought it was possible to feel more disgust than what I felt towards Bush-supporters. But now, the more I see of this Bradley Manning thing the more hatred and disgust I feel for Obama supporters deliberately turning their heads away from the glaring fact that Obama is far more the effective evil than Bush. They, along with the rest of those American cowards who plan to “hold their nose while voting for Obama,” deserve their black Romney-clone, but the rest of us do not.
(I’m voting for Jill Stein from the Green Party, because the very survival of our human rights, democracy, and the earth, depends on the American voter’s ability to stay the course of 2008′s goal to rid the world of Bush’s policies, instead of expanding them as Obama has done. Only then can we break away from the “left/right” fists of corporate rule, forever.)

…and how did “Yes We Can” in 2008, turn into “No We Can’t” in 2012, get rid of George Bush’s policies? Are we Americans really that cowardly that the majority of us are just going to roll over and let Obama (or Romney) continue expanding these heinous Bush policies?

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By: Jane Stephens http://bradleymanning.org/updates/update-71912-govt-denies-bradley-ability-to-use-lask-of-harm-in-defense-next-hearing-to-focus-on-illegal-treatment/comment-page-1#comment-36583 Jane Stephens Tue, 24 Jul 2012 23:58:36 +0000 http://bradleymanning.org/?p=24499#comment-36583 I second Charles, Bradley has lots of support here in Australia. Obviously the Julian Assange connection makes it all the more acute. I have donated to his legal fund and was delighted to receive the card and stickers from his supporters. As soon as I can I will donate again. All the world has something to thank Bradley for. Each country's government has been made more transparent and therefore more accountable to its bosses, the voting public. (I often wonder if they seem to forget who put them in power in the first place?). I just wish he hadn't told that FBI dog in that chatroom who then subsequently dobbed him in. The Wikileaks portal was encrypted anonymously with Bittorrent for that very reason. Oh that he'd kept quiet, he'd be safe and sound instead. I second Charles, Bradley has lots of support here in Australia. Obviously the Julian Assange connection makes it all the more acute. I have donated to his legal fund and was delighted to receive the card and stickers from his supporters. As soon as I can I will donate again. All the world has something to thank Bradley for. Each country’s government has been made more transparent and therefore more accountable to its bosses, the voting public. (I often wonder if they seem to forget who put them in power in the first place?). I just wish he hadn’t told that FBI dog in that chatroom who then subsequently dobbed him in. The Wikileaks portal was encrypted anonymously with Bittorrent for that very reason. Oh that he’d kept quiet, he’d be safe and sound instead.

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By: Shona Duncan http://bradleymanning.org/updates/update-71912-govt-denies-bradley-ability-to-use-lask-of-harm-in-defense-next-hearing-to-focus-on-illegal-treatment/comment-page-1#comment-36573 Shona Duncan Tue, 24 Jul 2012 23:33:26 +0000 http://bradleymanning.org/?p=24499#comment-36573 The world is fascinated with the way the USA has treated Bradley, they have shown themselves in their true colours. Stars and stripes stand for draconian rule. The war crimes that Bradley allegedly revealed is also evidence that the USA military are guilty of not only war crimes but of trying to cover them up. This makes the Chief and Commander of the USA (President Obama) a war criminal, like Nazi SAS and their boss's. This is what the fuss is about. The revelation of the cover up of war crimes could and should lead to at least life imprisonment, if not death for the war criminals who actively covered it up, all of Bradley's chain of command were complicit ... so .... The world is fascinated with the way the USA has treated Bradley, they have shown themselves in their true colours. Stars and stripes stand for draconian rule.
The war crimes that Bradley allegedly revealed is also evidence that the USA military are guilty of not only war crimes but of trying to cover them up. This makes the Chief and Commander of the USA (President Obama) a war criminal, like Nazi SAS and their boss’s. This is what the fuss is about. The revelation of the cover up of war crimes could and should lead to at least life imprisonment, if not death for the war criminals who actively covered it up, all of Bradley’s chain of command were complicit … so ….

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By: Charles http://bradleymanning.org/updates/update-71912-govt-denies-bradley-ability-to-use-lask-of-harm-in-defense-next-hearing-to-focus-on-illegal-treatment/comment-page-1#comment-36549 Charles Tue, 24 Jul 2012 20:45:40 +0000 http://bradleymanning.org/?p=24499#comment-36549 Bradley has support from here in Australia. A vocal minority can change the world - keep up the peaceful fight for Manning! Don't fear the government - speak out for the truth! Bradley has support from here in Australia.
A vocal minority can change the world – keep up the peaceful fight for Manning!
Don’t fear the government – speak out for the truth!

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